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Raven_Corvus
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Raven_Corvus
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Raven_Corvus
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Raven_Corvus
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eh i zaraz znowu sie zacznie "czego to juz nie wymysla...", "hybrydy to be a wcale nie be..." a wogole to moze z "sarna zrobic hybryde" itp itd 
Ale jedno musze przyznac naprawde ciekawe i faktycznie te lapy mi sie jakies takie masywne wydaly od poczatku i te skoki dosc opierzone. faktycznie ciekawy ptaszek - ciekawe jak z uzytkowoscia
Ale jedno musze przyznac naprawde ciekawe i faktycznie te lapy mi sie jakies takie masywne wydaly od poczatku i te skoki dosc opierzone. faktycznie ciekawy ptaszek - ciekawe jak z uzytkowoscia
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Raven_Corvus
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skrawek z iff, odziwo i na tym forum rozgorzala dyskusja apropo tej hybrydy, co dla mnie traci hipokryzja ale cuz ja tam moge wiedziec. Tak jak pisze autor tej wypowiedzi, tak tez i ja pomyslalem, ze moze to byc swietna alternatywa dla boneli, ktorego cena, a nie ma co o pieniadzach gadac.
Good day, along with my brother in-law, we are the owner breeders of the Harris-Eagle cross.
I thought the last few emails provided a good time for me to tell you a little bit about the bird you all show great interest in.
I won't talk about the ethics as I think it is another subject and is not really what most people are truly interested in.
The young bird is now 26 days old. We don't know the sex yet. The baby has been raised by the mother and adopted father golden eagle since it was 10 days old.
The young bird was produced by inseminating a non imprinted rehab female eagle using semen from an imprint harris. It was hatched in 35 days, not the normal 45 of a regular eagle. This is extremely interesting given the mother is the eagle! It hatched as easily as any bird we have hatched. At birth it weighed 91 grams. at 9 days it had grown to 331 grams and was consuming its own weight in food daily. It's personality is, was very much like a young eagle, laid back easy going, compared to the much more active harris hawk at that stage.
We have had the pair of eagles for 9 years. We had hoped to produce a pure eagle, but the males wing is damaged and he is not able to balance on the back of the female when he (sparingly) attempts to copulate.
Why produce the bird?
Our thinking is that we "may" end up with a somewhat smaller eagle like bird. It may turn out like a larger more muscular Harris, or a Red tail or a Bonelli, we are not sure. One thing is for sure, we won't know if we don't try. Personally, I am most interested in its intelligence. I think the Harris and the Golden eagle are among the most intelligent falconry birds.
What is the bird like? We, like you, thought it might be a slightly smaller Golden eagle given that its mother is a golden eagle. As stated earlier, it is 26 days old and growing at a rapid pace. It is standing up and running around the nest much to the disappointment of the mother who is trying to feed it. By the weekend, my brother in-law feels it will be well feathered on its back. It has a small black tail already showing.
I have not seen the bird for almost a week, . The beak is somewhere in the middle Harris/Eagle, with a large head.
In terms of size, it does not appear to be anywhere near the size of an eagle. Perhaps 4-5 lbs when full grown. Keep in mind we don't know the sex, so it could be a male which will make it appear even smaller then its parents. It appears to have a really good build. It has legs and feet like an eagle, feathered down the leg.
I will see the bird on the weekend and do my best to send a couple good pictures for you to see.
What are our plans:
The bird is not for sale. We want to fly the bird. We are falconers first and breeders second. We both have approx 30 years each flying birds. My brother in-law is an extremely good falconer flying mostly goshawks so the bird will be in excellent hands.
On a personal level, we are very proud of what we have accomplished to date. I am particularly proud of what my brother in law did as he is the one who did along with another one of our friends did the insemination with a non compliant eagle. If you don't know how difficult it is, ask an eagle breeder!
We will do our best to keep you posted as we learn more about the bird.
Thank you for taking interest in what we have done.
Good day, along with my brother in-law, we are the owner breeders of the Harris-Eagle cross.
I thought the last few emails provided a good time for me to tell you a little bit about the bird you all show great interest in.
I won't talk about the ethics as I think it is another subject and is not really what most people are truly interested in.
The young bird is now 26 days old. We don't know the sex yet. The baby has been raised by the mother and adopted father golden eagle since it was 10 days old.
The young bird was produced by inseminating a non imprinted rehab female eagle using semen from an imprint harris. It was hatched in 35 days, not the normal 45 of a regular eagle. This is extremely interesting given the mother is the eagle! It hatched as easily as any bird we have hatched. At birth it weighed 91 grams. at 9 days it had grown to 331 grams and was consuming its own weight in food daily. It's personality is, was very much like a young eagle, laid back easy going, compared to the much more active harris hawk at that stage.
We have had the pair of eagles for 9 years. We had hoped to produce a pure eagle, but the males wing is damaged and he is not able to balance on the back of the female when he (sparingly) attempts to copulate.
Why produce the bird?
Our thinking is that we "may" end up with a somewhat smaller eagle like bird. It may turn out like a larger more muscular Harris, or a Red tail or a Bonelli, we are not sure. One thing is for sure, we won't know if we don't try. Personally, I am most interested in its intelligence. I think the Harris and the Golden eagle are among the most intelligent falconry birds.
What is the bird like? We, like you, thought it might be a slightly smaller Golden eagle given that its mother is a golden eagle. As stated earlier, it is 26 days old and growing at a rapid pace. It is standing up and running around the nest much to the disappointment of the mother who is trying to feed it. By the weekend, my brother in-law feels it will be well feathered on its back. It has a small black tail already showing.
I have not seen the bird for almost a week, . The beak is somewhere in the middle Harris/Eagle, with a large head.
In terms of size, it does not appear to be anywhere near the size of an eagle. Perhaps 4-5 lbs when full grown. Keep in mind we don't know the sex, so it could be a male which will make it appear even smaller then its parents. It appears to have a really good build. It has legs and feet like an eagle, feathered down the leg.
I will see the bird on the weekend and do my best to send a couple good pictures for you to see.
What are our plans:
The bird is not for sale. We want to fly the bird. We are falconers first and breeders second. We both have approx 30 years each flying birds. My brother in-law is an extremely good falconer flying mostly goshawks so the bird will be in excellent hands.
On a personal level, we are very proud of what we have accomplished to date. I am particularly proud of what my brother in law did as he is the one who did along with another one of our friends did the insemination with a non compliant eagle. If you don't know how difficult it is, ask an eagle breeder!
We will do our best to keep you posted as we learn more about the bird.
Thank you for taking interest in what we have done.
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Ok guys , I hope this worked, please see pictures of 28 day old Harris Eagle. According to Steve, it basically looks like a smaller golden eagle but coloured and feathered like a Harris. Steve guesses the weight may be around 3-4 lbs, likely a male.
It would be good to hear from an eagle breeder to compare developement, build etc of this bird compared to a golden eagle.
I think we will know a little more in about a week.
Have a good weekend.
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My guess is about 2 lbs 10 oz to 2lb 13 flying weight. Steve thinks its much larger. He thinks it will be in the 3lb 10oz range. His thinking is it has alot of feather growth left to do. I would say it won't be hard penned until at least the end of August. Thats also interesting. It has left the nest and can fly a little at about. 55 days so that is in keeping with the growth pattern of a young Harris. Yet, it still has much more growing at least in the feathers in keeping with what we would expect from an eagle. Perhaps it has left the nest due to the nature of our chamber with perches designed so our essentially flightless male eagle can get to anywhere the female can.
The body shape is more along the Harris longer and not blocky. However, it looks powerfully built like a muscular HH. The feathers definitely look HH. Also intriguing is the length of the tail which appears like it will be quite long which bodes well for the falconry side of things.
Steve seems committed flying the bird full time which will be interesting seeing as he is a died in the wool goshawk guy who has flown nothing else for 20 years.
Ok guys , I hope this worked, please see pictures of 28 day old Harris Eagle. According to Steve, it basically looks like a smaller golden eagle but coloured and feathered like a Harris. Steve guesses the weight may be around 3-4 lbs, likely a male.
It would be good to hear from an eagle breeder to compare developement, build etc of this bird compared to a golden eagle.
I think we will know a little more in about a week.
Have a good weekend.
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My guess is about 2 lbs 10 oz to 2lb 13 flying weight. Steve thinks its much larger. He thinks it will be in the 3lb 10oz range. His thinking is it has alot of feather growth left to do. I would say it won't be hard penned until at least the end of August. Thats also interesting. It has left the nest and can fly a little at about. 55 days so that is in keeping with the growth pattern of a young Harris. Yet, it still has much more growing at least in the feathers in keeping with what we would expect from an eagle. Perhaps it has left the nest due to the nature of our chamber with perches designed so our essentially flightless male eagle can get to anywhere the female can.
The body shape is more along the Harris longer and not blocky. However, it looks powerfully built like a muscular HH. The feathers definitely look HH. Also intriguing is the length of the tail which appears like it will be quite long which bodes well for the falconry side of things.
Steve seems committed flying the bird full time which will be interesting seeing as he is a died in the wool goshawk guy who has flown nothing else for 20 years.
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Pudlak Waldemar
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my w tym roku widzielismy już kilkakrotnie mlode kobczyki polujące na owady w okolicach Pucka ganiają za ważkami z uporem maniaka i niespecjalnie boja sie ludzi. co do hybryda powyżej. zdjęcie niestety nie oddaje wielkości bo nie ma skali porównawczej. łapy rzeczywiscie konkret ale RT tez małych nie ma. w sumie ciekaw jestem jak to bedzie latac i polowac bo moim zdaniem lotem sylwetką stylem harrisom niedaleko do przednich. myslę że powinien być maszyną do zajęczej roboty.
ganiają za ważkami z uporem maniaka i niespecjalnie boja sie ludzi. co do hybryda powyżej. zdjęcie niestety nie oddaje wielkości bo nie ma skali porównawczej. łapy rzeczywiscie konkret ale RT tez małych nie ma. w sumie ciekaw jestem jak to bedzie latac i polowac bo moim zdaniem lotem sylwetką stylem harrisom niedaleko do przednich. myslę że powinien być maszyną do zajęczej roboty.